Forum: Civil War?


Every week on Monday, the WoW! staff, community and our invited guests weigh in at the Watcher’s Forum, short takes on a major issue of the day, the culture, or daily living. This week’s question: Civil War?

Don Surber: No.

We are a non-military society that freaks at death. Impolitely, we are sissies. I mean, these people cannot handle chalked messages on the sidewalk.

But we are a nation of drama queens as well with the millionaire celebs screaming “The Resistance,” even those who sang for Gadhafi and that freak in Uzbekistan who boiled his political opponents. All these brave poodles would cower if there were a fascist. Trump is the anti-fascist. We have not had a president this disinterested in power since Washington. Of course Trump is as Narcissistic as Obama, so I can see how people get confused.

There may be secession. Horace Greeley in 1860 preached, “let them go.” But the odds are long.
The best way to avoid a civil war is to have the economy rebound. The last 16 years have been the malaise Carter talked about. Both parties are responsible. Trump’s economic policies — “capitalism”– should bring the prosperity that calms everyone down.

Rob Miller : Civil War? Well, maybe. It depends on what you call civil war.

We won’t see large battles between armies commanded by trained professional soldiers, at least not on both sides. Nor will we likely see whole secessionist states involved. Interior California, Washington State east of the mountains, Upstate New York and Southern Illinois are unlikely to go along with the program, to put it mildly.

And the program is important. What’s going on now is a fight about the Democrats retaining their political power and a large part of their political base. The last Civil War was about Democrats keeping their slaves. This one is about them keeping a never ending flow of illegal migrants as cheap domestic servants and reliable voters.

If you notice, the actual violence and the most vociferous language is coming from Blue ruled Democrat urban fiefdoms. While the Left might be flooding congressional town halls with paid, organized ‘protesters’ (the identical, pre-manufactured signs and the trained seal, on cue unison chants are a dead giveaway), most of these people aren’t prepared to risk their bodies. It’s in places like Ferguson, Baltimore, Berkeley, San Francisco, Chicago, Seattle and Los Angeles where the more overt, violent stuff is happening. And college campuses. A big reason for this is because sympathetic Democrat politicians can be relied on to order the police to stand down and limit their response to containment rather than suppression. And also, that’s where the citizens have normally been at least partially (and in the case of campuses totally) disarmed by restrictions on Second Amendment rights.

While that might also occur in urban Democrat enclaves in Red States, it’ s less likely because these states tend to have Republican governors who will not put up with violent civil disturbance, and armed citizens who would take matters into their own hands.

That’s what we’re more likely to see, considerable urban violence in the Democrat ruled urban areas I’ve mentioned,the late Sixties and early Seventies on steroids. As Napoleon discovered back when he was dealing with violent riots in Paris for the Directorate, this sort of thing is easily cured by an injection of lead. Not so easily dealt with is lawfare and propaganda, but Attorney General Jeff Sessions is likely to do a pretty good job and the first one, and the media themselves have lessened the effect of the second.

Another way to settle things would be to simply arrest politicians who decline to enforce federal law on things like immigration for obstruction of justice. The picture of a couple of Texas Rangers ambling into Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner’s office with a warrant for his arrest or the FBI doing the same thing to California Governor Jerry Brown or NYC’s Rick De Blasio is both amusing and rather pleasant. Of course, in the Big Apple, the NYPD would probably be immensely disappointed they didn’t get to slap the cuffs on Hizzoner themselves.

Mike McDaniel : The seeds for civil war were sewn when leftists, with national scope and influence, recovered enough from the election of Donald Trump for their burning hatred of the American people and of actual American principles to burn through their disbelief and shock. One can only imagine the screaming obscenities and flying lamps and other furnishings in the environs of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and a variety of other criminals when it became apparent there would be a pause in the inevitable march of the progressive vanguard. As Barack would have put it–actually, he probably did–history was on the wrong side of history.

If the left had only done what most other sane Americans do when their candidate loses elections–resolve to do better next time, and work within the parameters of our republican system of government to advocate for their principles in the meantime–all would be well. But this time, things might be different. This time, Mr. Obama promises to lead a leftist opposition, and he has a community organizing cabal ready to lead the oppressed to the promised land.

In the past, Democrats at least tried to hide their disdain and outright hatred for most of America. No longer. They are now advocating “resistance,” disrupting, as a set of new normal tactics, peaceful townhall meetings, and sending paid thugs into protests to beat, burn and destroy property. They have stepped over the line of peaceful, honest protest into conspiracy and organized gang violence. Presumably, Barack Obama and other “leaders” are smart enough–though I wouldn’t bet on it considering their egos–to keep themselves sufficiently removed from active planning and participation in crime, but they need not be directly involved. Their anarchic minions know what is required.

And the media no longer pretends to be objective and professional. The Democrat party might as well be paying their salaries. Oh, there will always be media of a sort, but they are, day by day, damaging their influence. Eventually, enough of the public will turn against them, considering them not merely a deceptive annoyance to be ignored, but agents hostile to America and to the daily interests of Americans. I wouldn’t want to be a reporter when they manage to cement that realization in the minds of the public.

Open warfare now? No. Actual Americans are patient people. They will endure a great deal before taking up arms.

What would it take? America will never allow things to degenerate to the point of California, a pseudo-state wholly owned and ruled by the Democrat Party, with all of its corruption and bizarro world fantasies. In a way, the east and west coasts are a sort of safety valve where Communists, Socialists and other totalitarians can live as they choose. What, one wonders, would life be like for them if everyone that didn’t share their ideology fled to America?

Should lawlessness become too out of control, should progressives ever again seize power and aggressively act–as they surely would–to ensure they would never again lose it, should America be in jeopardy of becoming California, and most of all, when progressives try to seize individually owned arms, as they surely would and must, then would Americans take back America.

To be sure, some federal officers, perhaps even some of our military, would side with leftist leaders in the hope they would end up on the winning side, but most would not. The overwhelming majority of our military members still come from America. Even outside the military, the training, knowledge, ability, and arms necessary to prevail are virtually all on the side of liberty. I’d put one American woman against 20 progressive pajama boys any day. Should that day arrive, the fight would be brief, and those that sided with tyranny would be accorded no mercy. If it ever “progresses” to that level, liberty would be forced to stamp out tyranny for all time, or at least as far as possible.

And all that’s necessary to avoid it is for the left to behave like honest, non-violent citizens of the republic. Hillary Clinton lost. Donald Trump is president. The Democrat ideology has been soundly rejected by most of America. That’s the way democracy works. Shut up, sit down and figure out why and do better next time. Unfortunately, the Democrat party is on the verge, as I write this, of electing a Muslim, anti-semite lunatic and lightweight to lead their party, and they show no sign of abating the deranged hatred they seem to universally feel for most of the American electorate.

They would do well to remember, as the Japanese learned, what happens when the sleeping giant is awakened.

Dave Schuler : I think that unless we’re very careful we’re headed towards civil war. While it’s possible to protest peacefully, it’s not possible to guarantee that a protest will remain peaceful. Protests are likely to escalate in the level of violence. That will encourage retaliation if only in self-defense. The largely detached strategy that local police have taken prevents over-reaction but they don’t protect the targets of violence.

The opposing sides are too far removed in views and too isolated in geography. There are also too many inherent conflicts in the positions being held by the anti-Trumpers. For example, it is just not pragmatically possible to maintain open borders, the logical conclusion of what passes for an immigration policy among them, and have an expansive welfare state.

Laura Rambeau Lee : The enemies within might want a civil war, but I am afraid they have failed to form a cohesive platform for their supporters to rally around. They have created too many aggrieved categories and classes of people to be able to come together to overthrow anything. They can’t even figure out what sex they are or which bathroom to use… and without firearms it might be a tad difficult to pull off. What the radical left hoped to create were useful idiots but I am afraid there is nothing useful about this millennial generation.

On the other hand, conservatives in this country have become more united and been able to forestall the progressive movement in America. After years of hard work on our part, if our Republican controlled presidency and both houses of Congress fail to deliver on the many promises that got them elected I can see an overthrow of the political elite, although I am not sure how that would play out. Our immediate past presidents, starting with George H.W. Bush (if not before) have advanced the agenda for a global communist New World Order and a free and armed America is the only thing standing in the way of achieving their goal. What will start it will be another collapse of the economy which will be much worse than we saw in 2008. If the economy crashes again all bets are off. Better to be aware and prepared than be caught by surprise.

Well, there it is.

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Illegal Alien Commits Double Stabbing After Gov. Declares Conn. a Sanctuary State


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Earlier this week Connecticut Governor Dannel Patrick Malloy defied President Donald Trump’s deportation policy of criminal illegal aliens  by informing school and law enforcement officials not to enforce federal immigration laws. (See memo at bottom of post or here.)


Two days later, Oscar Obedio Hernandez, an illegal alien from El Salvador murdered his girlfriend and absconded with their six-year-old daughter to Pennsylvania.

Hernandez returned to the United States after being deported on November 27, 2013 following the issuance of a judge’s order one month earlier.

In a double stabbing, Nidia Gonzalez, 26 was stabbed to death during a domestic dispute along with her friend who remains in critical condition. (Likely illegal aliens themselves although there is no mention in the articles of their status in the country.)

Fox 61

The double stabbing occurred at 69 Greenwood Street in Bridgeport around 2:45 a.m. Friday. Bridgeport Police Chief AJ Perez called the case the “ugly, ugly side of domestic violence.” He said the man and woman were living together but were not married. He said alcohol was involved and the victim was stabbed at least 14 times. He appeared visibly shaken updating the case.

Chief Perez also said Oscar Hernandez is known to Bridgeport police for another situation in which there was a restraining order against him. Police say this was for an assault case involving another woman, not Aylin’s mother Gonzalez[…]

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An amber alert was issued for the couple’s daughter, Aylin Sofia Hernandez, 6 and cancelled later after Hernandez was stop and detained on I-99 in Philipsburg, Pennsylvania. The child was unharmed…physically.

So, what does Gov. Malloy have to say about this murder by an illegal alien that occurred within days of his declaring Connecticut a sanctuary state for illegal aliens far and wide? (sarcasm)


According to a statement released Kelly Donnelly spokeswoman for Gov. Malloy:

“Our local laws are designed to protect our residents and also ensure that those in harm’s way feel safe seeking help from law enforcement. That’s why convicted violent felons are detained for deportation under our state laws that the governor has consistently and strongly supported.”

So, let me get this straight, Malloy is taking the stand that Connecticut already has a policy of “detaining” convicted illegal alien felons for deportation under the state’s law but opposes President Trump’s deportation policy of deporting criminal illegal aliens?

Murderer, Oscar Hernandez is proof that the state of Connecticut does not enforce its immigration laws but don’t take my word for it.

Malloy had a sit down the other night with Tucker Carlson and what he had to say should enrage every American.

Threats foreign and domestic

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Taking stock and identifying all threats, foreign and domestic. WIP – work in progress.

Take it from a retired Former Commander in Chief of U.S. Pacific Fleet, James A. Lyons.


Published on Feb 19, 2017

As responsible Americans we must identify all threats foreign and domestic AND protect our fellow citizenry by raising awareness.

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AG Sessions: U.S. Govt. Prosecuting Elderly Army Vet for “Posting” American Flags in VA Facility


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Robert Rosebrock, a 74-year-old U.S. Army veteran who goes on trial next month for, wait for it…posting two-six inch American flags on the fence of a Veterans Administration facility in southern California last fall needs Attorney General, Jeff Sessions’ help.

Judicial Watch

Will Jeff Sessions’ Department of Justice (DOJ) continue wasting taxpayer dollars to criminally prosecute a 74-year-old U.S. Army veteran for posting two American Flags in a southern California Veterans Administration facility? The absurd case was initiated under President Obama, but is set to go to trial in federal court next month under new DOJ leadership. The military veteran faces up to six months in jail for the ghastly offense of affixing Old Glory at a site honoring those who served their country. Judicial Watch reached out to Sessions’ office but has not heard back from the new Attorney General after various attempts via telephone and electronic mail with the DOJ’s Office of Public Affairs.

Here’s some background; U.S. Army veteran Robert Rosebrock posted a pair of four-by-six-inch American Flags on the outside fence of a VA facility in West Los Angeles on Memorial Day in 2016. The fence is part of the “Great Lawn Gate” and marks the entrance to the Los Angeles National Veterans Park. The public facility is part of a larger, 388-acre parcel that includes the Veterans Home of West Los Angeles. Since 2008, Rosebrock and a group of fellow veterans have assembled at the gate weekly and on Memorial Day to protest the VA’s failure to make full use of the property to benefit veterans, particularly those who are homeless.

The parcel was deeded to the federal government in 1888 for the specific purpose of caring for disabled veterans. Though it includes the veterans’ homey, the property is also used for a number of unrelated causes. Among them is a stadium for the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) baseball team, an athletic complex for a nearby private high school, laundry facilities for a local hotel, storage and maintenance of production sets for 20th Century Fox Television, the Brentwood Theatre, soccer practice and match fields for a private girls’ soccer club, a dog park, and a farmer’s market.

Rosebrock and his veterans group were previously advised by VA officials a federal regulation allowed the hanging of the American Flag and the POW/MIA (Prisoner of War/Missing in Action) flag on the “Great Lawn Gate” fence and dozens of full-size American Flags appeared on the fence at once without incident. But the VA later claimed that it erred in allowing the flags because it incorrectly interpreted the applicable regulation. Since then, the VA has cited Rosebrock for violating the provision on more than 15 occasions, but the charges were always dropped until now. Read the flag citation here. The feds are also criminally prosecuting Rosebrock for taking pictures of a VA Police officer while the officer detained and cited him for posting the two small American Flags on the fence. A separate count charges him with taking photos of a conservative African-American activist, dressed as Uncle Sam, being handcuffed for hanging a large American Flag on the same fence. The activist, Ted Hayes, was not charged with any wrongdoing though he was detained and cuffed like a criminal[…]

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This is the insanity that was ignored and allowed to unfold under Barack Obama’s tenure.  Please help this veteran by are asking AG Jeff Sessions to right the wrongs.  Please share.